The Pope And Kim Davis

HT_kim_davis_jef_150903_16x9_992I heard this news earlier today, but was waiting for confirmation and I was also meeting a friend for dinner and have only arrived home.

I think Charles Pierce of Esquire best sums up my thoughts.

The big news today seems to be that Kim Davis, the goldbricking county clerk from Kentucky, met secretly with Papa Francesco in Washington and that he endorsed her current status as a faith-based layabout. Given this pope’s deft gift for strategic ambiguity and shrewd public relations, it’s hard for me to understand how he could commit such a hamhanded blunder as picking a side in this fight. And it’s odd that he (or someone) sought to publicize it through an American media entity that is not wholly sympathetic to his papacy. Inside The Vatican, the e-newsletter that broke the story, is edited by Robert Moynihan, a 79-year old whose patron was Benedict XVI.

God, the crowing from the Right is going to be deafening. Everything he said about capitalism and about the environment is going to be drowned out because he wandered into a noisy American culture-war scuffle in which one side, apparently the one he picked, has a seemingly ceaseless megaphone for its views. What a fcking blunder. What a sin against charity, as the nuns used to say.

This is, obviously, the dumbest thing this Pope ever has done. It undermines everything he accomplished on his visit here. It undermines his pastoral message, and it diminishes his stature by involving him in a petty American political dispute. A secret meeting with this nutball? That undermines any credibility he had accrued on the issue of openness and transparency. Moreover, it means that he barbered the truth during the press conference he held on his flight back to Rome, in which he spoke vaguely about religious liberty, and freedom of conscience, but claimed, “I can’t have in mind all cases that can exist about conscience objection.”  He certainly knew the details of this case.

What on earth was he thinking?

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19 Responses to The Pope And Kim Davis

  1. Pearl says:

    Ugh. I can’t even think about this. Why does that heap of manure get to meet the Pope….and why the hell would he want to meet her? Hopefully it’s a lie. Fingers crossed.

    • irishgirl999 says:

      Good read. Thanks.
      I am still fuming…

      • ProfessorCanine says:

        Comment at reddit nails it:

        [–]lilrabbitfoofoo –
        He’s the CEO of one of the world’s oldest organized scams. He’s the charlatan in charge. They have institutionalized the rape of children and protected the rapists against prosecution around the world.
        The only difference is that this one is a little better at PR than his predecessor.

  2. uberduck says:

    he is dead to me

  3. titlewave says:

    I wonder if they even explained to him who she was and what she did. Wasn’t he just telling everyone to be more inclusive? Or maybe he did know, but I hope not. I was hoping that he’d be a more peaceful, caring leader than the church has had for quite a while. God knows they need more of that.
    Either way, she’s still a pissant. And she needs to be fired.

  4. lindak1961 says:

    I find it interesting that Kim Davis and her “lawyer” describe it as a secret meeting, yet wasted no time telling the world about said meeting once the Pope left the country. Meanwhile, the Vatican isn’t denying it, nor confirming it. The whole thing is strange!

  5. Scarsdale says:

    The meeting has been confirmed. I think straight couples applying for a marriage license in that county should say “I do not want Kim Davis’ name on our license. She has been divorced 3 times, married 4. We want our marriage to last forever” There are much more qualified people who could take her job, and do the entire job for $80,000 a year. I wonder if her Hee Haw husband will stick around when that large paycheck goes POOF?

  6. DelMartian says:

    NPR reports the Pope may not have even known who she was.
    It’s being referred to as ‘the Pope and the Dope’.

    • irishgirl999 says:

      Charles Pierce has a theory…
      Was Pope Francis Actually Swindled into Meeting Kim Davis?
      http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a38440/pope-francis-swindled-kim-davis-meeting/

      ​I spent a little time Wednesday night examining my conscience, as we used to say around the ol’ confessional, as regards the meeting between Papa Francesco and noted civic layabout Kim Davis. This contemplation was prompted by two things: first, an e-conversation I had with someone who had been part of the papal travelling party and second, the appearance of E. J. Dionne on Lawrence O’Donnell’s show on MSNBC. According to the first person, there were a great number of people during the pope’s tour who were simply hustled in and out for informal private audiences. According to Dionne, the meeting between Davis and the pope was brokered by Archbishop Carlo Vigano, the papal nuncio to the United States at whose residence the pope stayed during his time in Washington, which is when the meeting took place. Together, these facts set off my Spidey Sense about Vatican chicanery…

      Ratzinger’s fingerprints are all over this story. Vigano is a Benedict loyalist. Robert Moynihan, whose newsletter, Inside The Vatican, got the story first, is an actual lifelong Ratzinger protégé. And the Vatican press office acted just the way I’d want it to act, if I were the guy setting this up. First, it issues a silly non-denial denial, and then it merely confirms that the meeting occurred. At which point, the office clams up, leaving the story festering out there in the news cycle, and leaving the pope out there in the American culture war to twist in the wind. And, if this scenario is in any way accurate, it had its desired effect. The impact of what the pope actually said and did in America has been fairly well ratfcked.

      I actually think there could be something to this. I don’t think he knew who Davis was. But others did…

      • Moles says:

        He should have known. That’s what minders are for.

      • irishgirl999 says:

        From NCR. What to Make of the Pope Francis-Kim Davis Meeting?

        One other thing was clear about the papal trip: Many, many people were trying to glom on to the pope and his message any which way they could and manipulate him and his message for their own ends. Regrettably, the pope is now being made into a hot potato in the very culture wars he so obviously wishes to avoid. This was a thoroughly foreseeable consequence of the meeting with Ms. Davis which is why the pope was ill served by whoever arranged this meeting…

        Somebody messed up. A source at the bishops’ conference told me on background that the meeting happened “against the advice of the bishops’ conference.” Other reports in both the Washington Post and the New York Times agree that the meeting was arranged by a “Vatican official.” Seeing as the meeting happened at the nunciature in Washington, it could only have happened with the approval and participation of the nuncio, Archbishop Carlo Maria Vigano. Perhaps he did not understand how Davis’ case was not really an instance of conscientious objection. Perhaps, he felt sorry for her, as I did, because sending that poor woman to jail was overkill by the judge. Perhaps he did not see how the news of this meeting would trample on the pope’s message and begin to drown out everything else the pope said or did during his six days here. Of course, it is a nuncio’s job to know such things and, most especially, not to put his boss in a compromising position…

        We know something else. This story is now in the hands of Davis and the Falwell empire, neither of which have much knowledge of, nor institutional loyalty to, the Catholic church. Until the Vatican or the bishops’ conference gets out front of this story, Davis and her evangelical lawyers will be the only ones explaining what happened and what it meant. The Vatican’s “no comment” is woefully insufficient. The headlines yesterday morning almost all had the words “secret meeting” and surely at the Vatican they know that people are attracted to secrets. This story will not go away. Various news accounts have people calling the pope “a liar” and “a coward.” That is not a good thing if you are tasked with press operation for the pope. Someone needs to say something or we will only know what Davis and her lawyers want us to know. The rest will be speculation, endless speculation. Non-stop speculation. If the pope was badly served by his staff, let that be known. If the pope was badly served by himself, let that be known. But, neither the bishops nor the Vatican can afford to let this fester another minute.

        http://ncronline.org/blogs/distinctly-catholic/what-make-pope-francis-kim-davis-meeting

      • Moles says:

        Although to be fair, minders frequently go beyond their brief and think they know best when it comes to matters of perception.

  7. irishgirl999 says:

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/massimo-faggioli/kim-davis-pope-francis_b_8227932.html

    Fourth point. The pope is aware of the world, but it is highly unlikely that he was aware of who Kim Davis was and the controversy generated by her refusal to obey the law of the land. It would be nice to know how many were aware of the character and the story here in Italy until 36 hours ago. But some of those who organized the meeting for Pope Francis knew, of that we can be sure.

    Fifth point. We do not know what the Pope has said to Kim Davis – unless you want to believe (without verification or evidence of any kind) Davis’ lawyers. The gift of a rosary and an invitation to “stay strong” is something that the pope would tell all. John XXIII in 1963 gave a rosary to the daughter of Nikita Khrushchev in an audience at the Vatican with her husband, and Rada Krusciova kept the rosary forever.
    ____________________________________________________

    I am smelling bullshit. The pope was so careful not to be partisan. I can’t see how he would have thought it a good idea to meet Kim Davis. I just can’t.

  8. Moles says:

    This is probably right. I don’t think the Pope had the faintest idea who she was, but someone in his entourage certainly did and played it for all it was worth. I think he was set up, God knows why or who by and if he’d been fully aware of what this lunatic has said and done he’s have avoided her like the plague. She can’t believe her fifteen minutes is still running, somebody should really punch her clock.

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